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Alex ([personal profile] alexsarll) wrote2008-04-29 07:29 pm

Another post about the London mayoral election

Londoners; when you vote for the Mayor on Thursday, please remember that this is not a first-past-the-post election. I've never liked the usual defeatist line about votes for third parties being wasted; here it simply isn't true, and anyone who says otherwise is either underinformed or has a covert agenda. Here's m'learned colleague's explanation of how the system works, but in summary: if you're just voting Ken To Stop Boris, or Boris To Stop Ken, then your second preference vote is perfectly adequate to that task. Give Brian Paddick a chance, or Sian Berry, with the first preference, if only to help erode the deeply unsatisfactory idea of the two party system; a little more each time and maybe next election, it could even be a real three way battle. Or four.
And no, I'm not saying this as part of some convoluted plan to get Boris in; it's just about really wanting Ken out. For his cronyism, appointing unqualified members of his old fringe socialist group to high power at our expense. For smearing Peter Tatchell when Tatchell dared to criticise one of Ken's fundamentalist associates. For endorsing the appalling George Galloway's bid for a London Assembly seat. For describing Boris as a "19th century liberal, with a small L", and yet somehow intending that great compliment as a criticism.
I voted for Ken last time, albeit with reservations; I still think he did a lot of good in his first term. But this last term, the balance has tipped. London is not his personal fiefdom, and I would like to see him reminded of that, at the very least by a shaky performance in the first round.

[identity profile] dickon-edwards.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Very good. Don't forget about the peach ballot paper too, and do read Tatchell's piece today:

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/peter_tatchell/2008/04/pick_berry.html

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 07:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Oooh, bad title pun (though that's probably not his fault).

While obviously the Assembly elections are important too, I don't think there's the same level of misinformation and obfuscation circulating around them as around the fight for the top job. Hence this post, more an attempt at clarification and passing on some details people may have missed than an endorsement or attempt at persuasion.

[identity profile] guntrip.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I hadn't seen that Galloway thing. It makes me feel a little ill.

Still - tee hee!

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey, it's no picnic keeping your daughter prisoner and fathering seven kids on her - I bet George would be happy to salute Josef's indefatigability!
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[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm still against the idea of 'wasted' votes; in both the US and UK power is currently in the hands of an erstwhile third party, something which could never have happened if our ancestors had been so defeatist.
Which said, I like the dual preference system in so far as it does enable people to cast an 'ideal world' vote, and then an 'OK, if we're running a two party system' vote, so theoretically removing some of that tension.

If you believed the LMHR rhetoric, you'd think the BNP were in with a chance in London too, whereas hysteria aside I'd be surprised if they make a bigger share of the vote than the UKIP. Hell, they'll probably even end up behind their moral equivalents in the rump of 'Respect'.

[identity profile] beingjdc.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 09:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I will bet you any amount of money you want that the BNP take a seat on the London Assembly.

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2008-05-01 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Even you now appear to have semi-recanted on this one, so it would hardly be sporting.

[identity profile] silentbob9484.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 08:19 am (UTC)(link)
I'm voting Lindsay German for Mayor and Left List, in the Assembly. Ken will have to get second pref to keep Boris out though.

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 06:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah yes, 'Left List'. Now, obviously 'Respect' was an unsavoury, opportunistic supervillain team-up between the anti-democratic old hard left, and islamic extremists, bolstered by the usual ranks of well-meaning useful idiots on which totalitarian parties (mercifully, I suppose) are obliged to depend for numbers, with perhaps the most despicable man in Britain as its figurehead. But dear heavens, at least they managed a certain rudimentary level of competence which seems to elude their successor splinters (http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:ty6toEph6GsJ:hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2008/04/11/left_behind.php+harry%27s+place+left+list&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2). Pathetic.

[identity profile] publicansdecoy.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 09:31 am (UTC)(link)
I hadn't seen that Galloway thing either. Ick.

After a rally in Whitechapel on Sunday, Livingstone wished Galloway 'good luck.'

He said: “I want George on the Assembly to keep the BNP out.”


He can see a difference between the two?

I am resolved that I cannot possibly bring myself to vote for Ken now, even as a second choice. I am not sure about giving my second choice to Johnson either though; I may yet leave it blank.

-x-

[identity profile] mooism.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 10:10 am (UTC)(link)
I may give my second preference to Boris on the basis that we need to vote Ken out now, and we can vote Boris out next time. Which feels like a terrible attitude to take, but still.

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I think there's a lot to be said for the Mae West approach: "When faced with a choice of two evils, I always pick the one I haven't tried yet."

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 06:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Honestly, you're such an islamophobe! It's only fascism if they're white.