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Welcome to Lockdown London, where anyone who lives on the Victoria line is now being put to bed at a nice early hour on schoolnights. Supposedly it's so the line can be upgraded - and heavens know it needs an upgrade even to reach 'basic functionality', across Friday and Monday it was out on three of the four occasions when I needed it - but as with the smoking ban, it does rather fit the Spirit of the Age, in which our new PM feels obliged to make deeply unconvincing denials of his puritan tendencies while he initiates what looks like a surreptitious War On Fun. Fortunately, Finsbury Park offered local comedy for local people in a local living room, as Carey Marx tested out his Edinburgh show. The problem being, he was testing it on Us Lot, so obviously the material about rape, disability and mistaking babies for poos was going to get all the biggest laughs. Meaning we've sent him off to Edinburgh concentrating on all the material which, to an audience of tender sensibilities, is most likely to get him lynched, and there's a limit to how far even Parsnip the Teddy can defuse matters. Although - that in itself would be fairly amusing.

Like Harry Potter, like its own Mark Antony, Rome made a good end. OK, I'm sad that it was cancelled - and unsure how different the second season would have been were it not - but this was a season end which followed naturally (and as faithfully to history as the series ever was) from what had gone before, and out of which nothing naturally follows. Where would we have gone, after the grand wars of the Republic's fall - into the comparatively petty manoeuvrings by which Augustus cemented his position? Or skipping to the period already handled so marvellously by I, Claudius? They had enough problems working around Shakespeare, giving us a secret history of those events - I,C already was a secret history, so you'd lose that space. No, better to end it here, after two seasons of spite and shagging and swordplay, with the giants dead and the monster enthroned.

Further thought on Deathly Hallows: we never found out what happened to Dolores Umbridge, did we? I'd love to think that they'd have a more thorough purge of the Death Eaters and their sympathisers this time around, but she strikes me as too good a bureaucratic operator, the sort who always comes out on top. Which means that arguably the most hateful character in the entire sequence may well have escaped unscathed.
Oh, and I know pointing and laughing at imbeciles on comments pages is a bit fish/barrel, but I couldn't resist this particular peon, denouncing Potter and declaiming grandly about Literacy and Art while demonstrating a spectacular inability to spell or structure a sentence. Part of me suspects he must be a spoof.
(The Earthsea snobs, by the way, are beginning to get even more shaming for their source than the loopier elements of Potter fandom. But then, le Guin lacks Rowling's personal dignity, so what can one expect of the followers?)
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Date: 2007-07-24 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
But that's the excuse - they're mental kids. Whereas a lot of the Earthsea fans are, or give the impression of being, in the lower reaches of academia, and are oh so precious and 'yes, well you would like those silly little books, but I, being a superior intellect, read Ursula le Guin instead'.
Don't get me wrong, the first three at least are bloody good - but even as a kid they weren't my very favourites or anything. I certainly never raced through 600 pages of them in 24 hours.
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Date: 2007-07-24 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
Yeah, I saw on SB. TBH I probably wouldn't have rushed through at quite such a rate myself were it not for fear of spoilers but, y'know, it was still no chore.

Point taken re: fans, but I think even a grown-up coming across that childish is better than coming off as groundlessly snooty in the very *dry* way the worst of the Earthsea lot do. I guess that, within fantasy, they're the equivalent of the lit types who look down on fantasy en masse.

Date: 2007-07-24 07:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beingjdc.livejournal.com
Bobbins to Dolores, where's Luna?

Date: 2007-07-24 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
I don't mean in the epilogue, I just mean at the end of the 'present day' stuff. And we know Luna makes it there alright.
(But my suspicion for the future - married to Professor Longbottom)

Date: 2007-07-24 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] perfectlyvague.livejournal.com
Minister for Magic.
Clearly.

Date: 2007-07-24 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
Percy, surely?

Re: More HP/kitten things

Date: 2007-07-24 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beingjdc.livejournal.com
She's legal soon. Well, you know, actress thingy.

Re: More HP/kitten things

Date: 2007-07-24 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pippaalice.livejournal.com
Do you collect these under age mentalists? (see also her out of Skins)

Re: More HP/kitten things

Date: 2007-07-24 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pippaalice.livejournal.com
hahahaha! I want a pet mentalist. :(

Ginny is now obsessed with James May. Is it normal for a cat to have such a telly addiction? :S

Re: More HP/kitten things

Date: 2007-07-24 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beingjdc.livejournal.com
Not in my personal experience, but I believe it is not unheard of.

Re: More HP/kitten things

Date: 2007-07-24 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pippaalice.livejournal.com
I'm slightly concerned she is gaining information in order to take over the world. You should come play with them sometime now they behave like normal cats.

Re: More HP/kitten things

Date: 2007-07-24 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
Like when the Daleks download the whole internet? Have you seen her at the laptop at all?

Re: More HP/kitten things

Date: 2007-07-24 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pippaalice.livejournal.com
She thinks it is a bed so I may be okay for now.

Re: More HP/kitten things

Date: 2007-07-24 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beingjdc.livejournal.com
Well, I certainly will now I am basically a free man for a month! Just need to get on top of work for a while...

Re: More HP/kitten things

Date: 2007-07-24 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
That seems to work out quite nicely given you wuv Hammond. Except that it leaves Ron with Clarkson, of course. Poor Ron.

Re: More HP/kitten things

Date: 2007-07-24 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pippaalice.livejournal.com
You know I love May as well? But yes that would be great. We could start a commune.

I've started calling him Ronnie. He is not impressed. :D

Re: More HP/kitten things

Date: 2007-07-24 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
Oh dear. I know one Ronnie who is nice, but also female. That aside it mainly makes me think of the one from The Shield, who is basically The Other One.

Re: More HP/kitten things

Date: 2007-07-24 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
I will keep an eye out when I eventually watch the film, but from the stills I'm really not seeing it.

Date: 2007-07-24 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] perfectlyvague.livejournal.com
Yes! I thought that to myself and then smiled as I realised that she didn't spend any part of the end judging or doling out punishments. Voldemort was to be pitied because he lived without and did not have love. Everyone went on to live in a happy lefty liberal society where poor single mums don't shiver in Edinburgh tenements and everyone breeds like rabbits. HOW MANY CHILDREN DID THEY ALL HAVE BETWEEN THEM????

Date: 2007-07-24 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
I suppose after that little lot the wizarding world is going to need to replenish its numbers...

I did like the absence of a Smollett-style settling of accounts.

More HP/kitten things

Date: 2007-07-24 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pippaalice.livejournal.com
Ginny is currently eating my trousers. :S

Re: More HP/kitten things

Date: 2007-07-24 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
Sweetie, perhaps you should make her stop, rather than posting about it to the interweb?

Just a thought.

Re: More HP/kitten things

Date: 2007-07-24 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pippaalice.livejournal.com
it was cute thou. :(

Date: 2007-07-24 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freakytigger.livejournal.com
Being completely forgotten about is surely the most fitting fate for a villain with such a misplaced power complex!

Date: 2007-07-25 06:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
Surely she's more officious than power-hungry? She wants things to be done 'properly', but I never get the impression that she wants to run the show.

Date: 2007-07-25 08:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atommickbrane.livejournal.com
What the HECK are you on about re: Earthsea??

Date: 2007-07-25 06:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
Check out those comment strands for some of the sort of thing I mean - it reminded me of plenty of stuff I've seen around the last couple of Potter releases too, a widespread insistence that Potter is just a diluted Earthsea which demonstrates a basic misunderstanding of, well, *everything*.
The comment as regards le Guin herself relates to her complaints over the TV Earthsea (http://www.slate.com/id/2111107/) - one of those remarkable instances where, even though I'm basically on someone's side, they manage to put their case so badly that I turn against them. Don't sell your child to the Gypsies and then complain about the colour of their headscarf, Ursula. You should think about these things *before* you sign any contracts.

Date: 2007-07-25 08:03 pm (UTC)

Date: 2007-07-25 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atommickbrane.livejournal.com
I mean seriously what the fuck? You think that she deliberately wanted her work to be defaced? That all the choices she made, well, she deserves to have them thrown on their head because if anything, her agency screwed her up contractually?? Who would deserve that?? She didn't deserve it, not even people who subscribe to the Sci Fi Channel would deserve it! Unless you're claiming the high moral stance that authors shouldn't deal and get their works into other media - but that would hamper your stance somewhat on Potter, surely!

And neither do I see people INSISTING Potter is a diluted Earthsea, there are plenty of people saying it's superior and presenting their reasons as their own opinion. But if you want to strike some victimhood on Potter (which hardly needs it) then yes of course there's always going to be massmarket vs a more cultish appeal, linguistic-magic vs... well, whatever the hell "magic" is in the Potter books. I wouldn't agree Potter is a diluted Earthsea as personally I don't think it's that good!! I've still read the Potter book, but I can't seperate it from the mass media hype anymore, and I'd invested gradually in the characters over time (again the hype was a helping hand here). But I doubt old JK wanted to write another Earthsea - apart from featuring magic they tell stories that are literally worlds and dimensions apart.

I am cross!!

Date: 2007-07-25 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
Rowling made very, very sure to get enough control written into her contracts that the Potter films would at least be in sight of what she wanted - all-British casts, for instance. Now OK, she was in a better position than a lot of writers, in terms of how much people wanted her IP. But if you're not in that position, you need to accept that you are fundamentally taking the money and running. Even Alan Moore, during his sulky fits about Hollywood, has the good grace to admit that he *knows* he's bein daft, he *knows* he's throwing his toys out of the pram. Whereas that article reads as though it's written without any such self-awareness - and given she is a writer, we can only assume that it's coming across the way she meant it to.

I agree as regards Potter and Earthsea basically having sod all direct relationship, and perhaps you've missed the worst of the snobbery to which I'm referring through avoiding certain geek realms - a lot of what I recall was on a now-defunct geek forum (what's on those threads echoes it without, for the most part, being quite so objectionable). And as much as I liked Earthsea, I generally ended up pointing out that at least Rowling had never gone so fundamentally off her own rails as Tehanu, and then shutting down my browser in a huff.

The only effect the hype has had on my relationship with the Potter books is to mean I read them in more of a hurry so as not to get spoiled.

Date: 2007-07-25 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atommickbrane.livejournal.com
Ye gods man I'd like to see you negotiate your way through a complex deal like that!! Unless you mean you wouldn't like, SELL OUT, man!

I don't think your last sentence is the full story - you've seen the films, you've read the fluff pieces in the media (including the media that you gravitate towards), you mix with people who write Harry Potter "slash" (I am assuming here, BUT I BET YOU DO!) - it will have so much more of your headspace than the new YOUNG BOND book. (Young Bond is also better! Charlie Higson 4tw)!

Date: 2007-07-25 08:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
Hey, Rowling managed it - and pulling power aside, bear in mind the whole single-mum-writing-in-cafe backstory, it's not like she was coming in from any more conducive a background than le Guin. But what I'm saying is that, if you do sell out (and fair enough - the film rights to From Hell were sold because Eddie Campbell wanted a bigger house) then don't write terribly precious articles about how you sold out but now you don't like it and can you have your ball back please?

I am *aware* of the Potter publicity cloud, obviously, but it doesn't get in between me and the book. And even then, I'm perhaps not as aware as you think - first film aside, I only see them once they hit the TV (meaning I'm currently two behind). And in large part this is *because* Rowling got her way - they're so faithful as to be superfluous.

I distrust the idea of young versions of characters. I suspect Young Sherlock Holmes may be to blame.

Date: 2007-07-25 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atommickbrane.livejournal.com
Sigh, she sold the rights after she'd had the first FOUR books published - you hardly think she was in the same position as Le Guin who wouldn't have had the support, resources, 'star power', cash support, sponsors, investors... I think Le Guin is perfectly within her rights to complain about the treatment of her books and I'm genuinely flabbergasted you're taking such a judgemental stance. WTF.

Date: 2007-07-25 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
As I said when I posted the link, my default position (especially given the changes made in this particular case) would be to take le Guin's side - it's her tone in that article which makes me unable to do so, and in particular her (faux?) naivete over the course events would take.

Date: 2007-07-25 10:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catsgomiaow.livejournal.com
Oh come on dude, there's naivete and there's BEING UTTERLY SCREWED OVER (I agree with [livejournal.com profile] atommickbrane that it sounds like she was contractually screwed by her agency) - I mean, you have SEEN the adaptation in question yes? I had to run around the front room screaming for about half an hour after the first part (and yet I watched the second part, perversely fascinated. I had to scream a bit more after that). It was ABSOLUTELY HIDEOUS; no-one deserves that and I don't believe for a second that le Guin wouldn't have stopped it if she could have.

Date: 2007-07-29 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
She's been in the business long enough that she ought to have found a decent agent by now! And of course I didn't watch it, because everything I'd heard about it indicated that it would be utter tripe. Though I am going to give the anime version from Miyazaki fils a go, in spite of the fact that she's complained a bit about that too.

Date: 2007-07-25 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] braisedbywolves.livejournal.com
I don't know if this is exactly Barry's point, but what I think on the subject is that if you are in this situation, you're either going to be offered a sum of money and little artistic control, or you may (if you're quite important) get the option of a smaller pile of money and much more control. But at both ends of this spectrum and all points inbetween you have (unless there's a gun to your head making you sign) lost the right to complain about the results.

Date: 2007-07-25 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atommickbrane.livejournal.com
Well I guess I'm just surprised to see people taking this sort of stance. I'm just in a foul mood anyway so I'm going to get off the bloody internet now.

Date: 2007-07-25 09:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
Up to a point, but even then I don't think it's exactly a vow of omerta - if someone asks you in an interview, you can certainly say "Yeah, they turned everyone white and made it suck". Writing high-minded articles about the process, apparently from the perspective of a wide-eyed innocent even as you state you've been in the business for 30 years plus...that's a different matter.

Date: 2007-07-25 09:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelv.livejournal.com
Yeah, not having the Victoria line on a weeknight is such a drag - last night I had to get the Picadilly line home! What is Gordon B.Rown thinking etc etc.

Date: 2007-07-25 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
You'll note that I'm linking them in some vague and spiritual sense via the Spirit of the Age, rather than specifically blaming him as originator. This is at once much more grand and cosmic, while enabling me to feel satisfied that I'm smarter than your average protestor. An all-round win, I reckon.

The Piccadilly is fine for central stuff, but I'm going to spend twice as long getting back from next week's Brixton gig as I normally would. And how about the Walthamstow types? Will somebody think of the Walthies?

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