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Alex ([personal profile] alexsarll) wrote2009-11-18 11:03 am

Ever get the feeling a plot is stalking you?

It's almost fifteen years since I was first introduced to Audrey Hepburn with, what else, Breakfast at Tiffany's. Since then I've seen a lot of her films, some of them classics (Charade is my favourite) and some less so (I couldn't make it past the first 20 minutes of My Fair Lady). But not until now have I seen her second most famous film, Roman Holiday. The timing works rather well, making it a companion piece to Waters of Mars - two stories about circumscribed power and the degree to which duty can be avoided, two stories which are going somewhere obvious and then throw you in the final 20 minutes. But then, it also seems like a very ahead-of-its-time story with the princess as a proto-Britney (drugged up to help her keep to a punishing schedule, she goes off the net and cuts off all her hair, only to end up palling around with someone plotting to sell her story). Except in other ways it really shows its age* - all that manoeuvring to conceal the fact that someone's taking photos! Admittedly I remember an episode of Frasier which did the same, but even at the time I thought that was a pretty nonsensical episode.
And it should go without saying that Hepburn, in all three iterations of her role, is delightful. Look, got through that whole thing without using the G-word!
Later that evening, flicking through an anthology I picked up years back, I was reading a Keith Roberts story I didn't know which again, felt like Roman Holiday, but this time from another angle - the brief romance that cannot be consummated or continued because they come from different worlds. Except this one was about a hedge witch and a scarecrow (the collection also contained Terry Pratchett's 'Troll Bridge', which I've read before and loved but which is even sadder read in the knowledge that, like Cohen the Barbarian, Pratchett himself now knows he hasn't got so long. Why haven't his short stories been properly collected? Surely there'd be a market for them).
The next day, in the Conan collection I've been reading on and off for ages, I reach the centrepiece, 'People of the Black Circle'. The plot of which? A moment of connection between Conan and a queen, but they can't stay together because different lives and all that. Same as Roman Holiday, though admittedly with more about how the "elemental woman" takes over from the Queen when she gets a thrill from how easily Conan kidnaps her. Also, can't see the massive bloodshed, giant snake or necromantic rape scene really fitting into an Audrey Hepburn film (though Robin and Marian wasn't all that far off...
As a control to prove it's not just me getting obsessional, since last posting I have also watched something like a whole season of Invader Zim and I did not identify the same plot in any of that. Although it was, clearly, brilliant. SPACE MEAT.

More on the Prisoner remake: "The catchphrase and key theme of the original show was Number Six’s weekly decree, “I am not a number, I am a free man!” In an interview in last week’s New York Times, the writer of the remake said he felt the need to modify that sentiment into something more moderate, less individualist, more… community-minded." DO NOT WANT.
The article also has some interesting stuff about what went wrong, for similar reasons, with the Judge Dredd film.

*Something else weirdly dated: Sudhir Venkatesh's Gang Leader For A Day. If you've read Freakonomics, he's the American-Indian (as in ethnically from India, not redskin) sociologist who spent years hanging with Chicago gangs, with things winding down by 1996. His fuller account of his experiences is pretty interesting, and some details of that seem oddly out-of-time too, like the lack of mobiles. But what really intrigued me is how many ghetto kids he meets seem to have no idea whatsoever what an Indian is (and some of the local cops are no better). He's initially accused of being a spy for a Mexican gang, other people keep calling him an Arab, such as do grasp he's an Indian start talking about Geronimo and Custer...and not that I know Chicago projects all that well, but I bet after two decades of The Simpsons, Mohinder in Heroes and such, the people there would at least have some conception of an Indian.

[identity profile] meerium.livejournal.com 2009-11-18 11:07 am (UTC)(link)
Strangely, I am popping across to That London this weekend to visit a friend (well, technically Chessington) and part of our plans involve a bit of an Audrey-fest, featuring Charade, Breakfast at Tiffany's and How To Steal A Million. Roman Holiday would be on there, but for the fact I own it on video and haven't transferred it to DVD yet.

Also, that quote about the Prisoner remake - errrr, WHAT?????? Poor old Patrick McGoohan will be turning in his grave.

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2009-11-18 11:16 am (UTC)(link)
The trailer hadn't impressed me, but it was that quote which decided me on definitely not watching the damn thing.

I somehow always slightly forget about How To Steal A Million in spite of it also having Peter O'Toole. What a pairing.

[identity profile] meerium.livejournal.com 2009-11-18 11:24 am (UTC)(link)
Having learnt my lesson on Hollywood remakes of classic British TV shows by going to see the appalling Avengers adaptation, I was already decidedly sceptical. I think that review as a whole just convinced me that my wide berth plan was a good one.

I'm very fond of How To Steal A Million - it's joyously silly, yet completely charming. And Peter O'Toole is just marvellous. I've often tried to rank Audreyfilms in order of preference, and while I think, like you, that Charade is my favourite; after that it just all gets muddled in a mix of 'yesbut, then there's...'. I also have a very high regard for Wait Until Dark - the first time I saw it I had to watch it in two sittings, I was so freaked out by it.

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2009-11-18 11:29 am (UTC)(link)
I didn't mind the Avengers film, but then it helped that Ralph Fiennes looked so good in that suit. It was a bit of a mess, clearly, but less of a travesty than the Tara King years, let alone The New Avengers.

Wait Until Dark had particular resonance for me because I watched it not long after seeing a blind person walking in the dark and thinking "It must be even harder for them at ni...oh, wait."

[identity profile] meerium.livejournal.com 2009-11-18 11:37 am (UTC)(link)
Strangely, I can deal with the New Avengers better than Tara King (though I do also agree with you on Ralph Fiennes and the suit!). I think it's because Gareth Hunt just seems to be perpetually sulking at having found himself in such a ridiculous series. This does remind me that we really need to get ourselves a multi-region DVD player, as Jonny bought me a box set of all the Emma Peel episodes on DVD last year for Christmas, but I'm still yet to watch them as we need a multi-region player.

Hee! Quite. I wasn't expecting to be so traumatised by Wait Until Dark, but started watching it on my own and fairly quickly regretted it, so left the latter half till a housemate was at least in the house with me, if not watching.

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2009-11-18 11:39 am (UTC)(link)
Gareth Hunt predeceasing Patrick Macnee was one of those really unexpected Kirsty MacColl beating Shane MacGowan moments, wasn't it?

[identity profile] meerium.livejournal.com 2009-11-18 11:46 am (UTC)(link)
Oh gosh, yes; absolutely.
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[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2009-11-18 03:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Did you see the trailer I linked to a while back? First off, it was ten minutes long. No trailer should be so bored that it's long enough to make you bored of the show already! Beyond that...well, it did have Ian McKellen in it, and a cameo by an old Six, but otherwise it already led me to expect something along these lines. The gasping, gormless hero bit was particularly evident.
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[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2009-11-18 04:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I just get subjected to the films when drunk and susceptible around fangirl friends. Similarly with this remake, if I was pissed with other fans of the original, I might agree to someone's suggestion to steal it off the internet and then shout at it. But if it's just me...I have so many better things to do, life's too short.

[identity profile] steve586.livejournal.com 2009-11-18 01:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Roman Holiday is one of my favourite movies ever, but if you haven't seen it I thoroughly recommend How To Steal A Million. It's very good frivolous fun and Peter O'Toole is on excellent form throughout.

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2009-11-18 03:57 pm (UTC)(link)
No, I have, though looking at the above strand I realise that might not be entirely clear. And I did enjoy it, it just doesn't tend to spring to mind when someone says 'Audrey Hepburn films - GO!' Don't know why.

[identity profile] augstone.livejournal.com 2009-11-19 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
'roman holiday', one of my fave films as well. love 'how to steal a million'. strangely, have never seen 'breakfast at tiffany's'.

space meat?? i have stolen the title "space borscht" off greg stekelman to make another russian disco song. 'rasputin' needs successors.

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2009-11-20 11:08 am (UTC)(link)
Alongside your not starting Nabokov with Lolita, one might almost think you were wilfully contrary.

There was a dance version of the Tetris theme, but yeah, more would be welcome. This reminds me, I remember hearing a while back about the wonders of Mongolian techno. Now there's more internet, I should investigate further...