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Alex ([personal profile] alexsarll) wrote2008-07-26 10:55 am

Some people just want to see the world burn

The Dark Knight is not, contra IMDB, the best film ever (but then look what they've got at #2 - ugh!). It's not even the best film about a non-powered billionaire playboy superhero released this year - Robert Downey Jr is Stark is Iron Man, whereas Christian Bale, though he plays a brilliant Bruce Wayne, only in the car chase and the climactic fight ever convinced me he was Batman, as opposed to just a guy in a Batman suit. It is, however, bloody good. All this talk of a posthumous Oscar for Heath Ledger - well, I'd approve, obviously, because it'd be an Oscar going to a frakking SUPERVILLAIN as against some sententious middlebrow issue movie, and because his death-by-Method would really raise the bar next time Tom Hanks or similar git wants a cheap win by playing a retard - "No, sorry Tom, these days that would actually require you to suffer severe brain damage". Well, I'd be happy to help 'coach' him with an iron bar...but I digress. Heath Ledger plays a damn fine Joker, drawing on both 'The Killing Joke' and Arkham Asylum and managing that rare feat of actually making him *funny*, as against a Stalin whose crap jokes you laugh at because otherwise he'll kill you. But this is not his film, it's Aaron Eckhart's; this is Harvey Dent's story and he plays a better Dent than I think I ever saw the comics manage.
One real missed trick, I thought - why does nobody get the obvious "Gordon's alive!" line? Also, how glad was I to see the Commissioner named for Jeph Loeb die in agony? And if you thought he looked familiar - he was also a cop in the Black Books where Manny drank too much coffee.

Went to have a look at Burne-Jones' Sleep of Arthur in Avalon at the Tate yesterday. Obviously he's my King in a way no Windsor could ever be, but I was still reminded that Burne-Jones is really not my favourite pre-Raphaelite; this painting is acknowledged unfinished, but set against Rossetti or Millais or Waterhouse (as he is in the Tate) his works all look a little that way, lacking some final glaze - or the breath of life - to really give that great pre-Raphaelite impression of being a glance though some charmed casement into faerie.
(They've also got Flaming June in from the same lender - both the paintings are in the free access areas so if you're a fan, drop in, but be warned their lighting is still atrocious, reflection and glint all over the place. Also, there's some asinine Martin Creed conceptual piece going on next door which as so often, is based on an OK idea but not really thought through)

Club night becomes religion to dodge anti-flyering byelaw.

I didn't even know there was a film adaptation of Jan Potocki's Manuscript found in Saragossa until I saw the DVD at my parents'; they had never heard of the book and had just had the DVD pressed on them by a friend. Neil Gaiman summarises the book better than I could; the film manages a remarkably full and faithful adaptation of this bizarre mish-mash of a book, getting the Goya-style chills and the absurdist sitcom in there as close as can be. Apparently lead actor Zbigniew Cybulski was considered 'Poland's James Dean' - which shows you how bad things must have been behind the Iron Curtain, 'cos to me he's more Brendan Fraser meets David Mitchell. Fortunately, that's just what you want in Alphonse van Worden.

goob to hear that jeph loeb dies in agony

[identity profile] worldofagwu.livejournal.com 2008-07-26 02:01 pm (UTC)(link)
i'm having inward debate whether to see the dark knight on the big screen or wait for it on dvd - i've already been to the pictures twice this year ( iron man & incredible hulk ) which is quite a lot for me - & i've been trying to recall if i've EVER seen a heath ledger movie - i don't think so

also i've never read arkham asylum - i've flicked through it many times over the years ( incl. fairly recently ) but the "artwork" always puts me off - one day tho

( a dear ole pal of mine once wrote an article called "gordon's alive" & a well meaning but stupid sub editor changed it to "flash lives" )

heath ledger

[identity profile] mrs-leroy-brown.livejournal.com 2008-07-27 10:50 am (UTC)(link)
Brokeback Mountain? It's very, very good but warning: incredibly sad. In fact, my mom still refuses to see it because I told her how much it made me cry.

Re: heath ledger

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2008-07-27 11:24 am (UTC)(link)
I taped it when it was on TV and keep on not getting round to it 'cos from what I hear, it will utterly wreck me. See also: Grave of the Fireflies.

Re: heath ledger

[identity profile] worldofagwu.livejournal.com 2008-07-27 01:35 pm (UTC)(link)
- i never got round to seeing brokeback mountain for some reason - ta for the recommendation, i like a goob blubfest as much as the next midlife crisis sufferer - maybe i should rent the dvd but it must be due to come on the telly fairly soon...?

Re: goob to hear that jeph loeb dies in agony

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2008-07-27 11:34 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, subeditors - I'm with Giles Coren on the mass of 'em, and I say that as a sometime sub myself.

I left Incredible Hulk for the small screen, but would definitely recommend this one; my next cinema trip will probably be Hellboy. The real quandary's going to be Watchmen; I want to see it, but in deference to Alan Moore's wishes I don't like to pay to see adaptations of his stuff.

Heath Ledger's Knight's Tale is rather an entertaining romp, but I've not seen much of his stuff myself.

Re: goob to hear that jeph loeb dies in agony

[identity profile] davegodfrey.livejournal.com 2008-07-27 02:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Incredible Hulk is the best of the adaptations I've seen so far. Its got lots of nods to the TV show, which I won't mention for fear of spoiling the "awesome!" moments when you spot them. Much better than Wanted, and Rise of the Silver Surfer.

I also rate Knight's Tale too. Lots of fun.

Re: goob to hear that jeph loeb dies in agony

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2008-07-28 05:08 am (UTC)(link)
I never watched the TV show. And Wanted - while I'm sure Millar's crying all th eway to the bank, the sound of the changes made put me off it enough that I didn't see it in the cinema.

Re: goob to hear that jeph loeb dies in agony

[identity profile] worldofagwu.livejournal.com 2008-07-28 06:32 am (UTC)(link)
- i saw incredible hulk at the imax - we sat in the front row & it made me feel really quite dizzy - as a pal of mine opined, this latest cgi hulk looks uncannily like earl norem's version from his painted covers for the 1970s rampaging hulk b&w mag - it's not as goob as iron man flick tho - but the hulk vs abomination fight scene at the end is more exciting than the iron man vs iron obadiah one

i'm being typically lazy re the dark knight - if a friend organises an outing i'll probly tag along ( - but i doubt if i'll be arsed to organise anything myself ) - note to self: must investigate watchmen trailer...

[identity profile] danialnell.livejournal.com 2008-10-09 04:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I've got to admit that The Dark Knight is one of the best comic films ever this year. Everyone should go watch it at least once, I must insist.

the dark knight

[identity profile] worldofagwu.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 05:57 am (UTC)(link)
- i never did get round to seeing it at the pictures, so i'm very much looking forward to the dvd release ( 1st dec, i believe )

( & to a lesser degree the film of mark millar's "wanted" which is due out on disc in a week or two )

( we've got a decent sized telly so my dark knight viewing experience should be fairly "cinematic" )

Re: the dark knight

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 08:04 am (UTC)(link)
I have no idea who that above comment was, btw - it was one of three on old posts which appeared near-simultaneously from accounts with no friends whose pages looked like ads. Were you on LJ back in the day of the MelGibsonbots?

I reread Wanted a week or so back and was confirmed in my decision not to hurry to the film, because no way could it have had a fraction of that sheer evil joy, much less the crucial last line.

Re: the dark knight

[identity profile] worldofagwu.livejournal.com 2008-10-20 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)
- i think the melgibsonbots(!) were probly before my time ( - spammers pretending to be mel gibson gommenting on LJs? )

you've made me want to reread wanted now before i rent out the dvd - i wasn't too impressed with it first time round...

Re: the dark knight

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2008-10-20 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Almost - pretending just to be everyday folk who happened to love his mental Jesus epic.

Wanted divides opinion massively - I imagine that if you thought it was mean and puerile first time out, a reread will not change that. It's a general issue with Millar, but I'm one of the faction which genuinely believes "Surrender? Do you think this A on my head stands for France?" to be a genius line.

[identity profile] perfectlyvague.livejournal.com 2008-07-26 06:56 pm (UTC)(link)
FLAMING JUNE IN THE UK? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

OMG

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2008-07-27 11:26 am (UTC)(link)
For a few months yet, I believe; their normal home is being rebuilt.

[identity profile] bookermackey.livejournal.com 2008-10-09 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
They are turning off their central heating for a few more months of the year and ditching their second car rather than buying an electric runaround.

[identity profile] willjsm.livejournal.com 2008-07-27 05:19 pm (UTC)(link)
to agree on so much, but disagree on the greatness that is the shawshank redemption...

i agree he was a great harvey dent... but as harvey two-face, i think the writing let it down. the motivations and plot just didn't hold up there.

i also thought the lucious fox "this is too much power" got very very silly.

would personally have had them end the movie before concluding the harvey dent plot, leaving it for a third movie.

big question: which villains next?

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2008-07-28 05:12 am (UTC)(link)
I suspect they're kicking themselves over killing off Harvey now they've not got a Joker option for next time.

Lucius Fox as Brother I was better than having a mad satellite do it...

[identity profile] beingjdc.livejournal.com 2008-07-31 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Have you seen the scale of the Wikipedia edit war on whether Harvey (well, twoface at least) actually dies?

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2008-07-31 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Nope - is that on the Harvey entry or the film's?

[identity profile] beingjdc.livejournal.com 2008-07-31 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Film's talk page.

[identity profile] azureskies.livejournal.com 2008-07-28 02:10 pm (UTC)(link)
how glad was I to see the Commissioner named for Jeph Loeb die in agony

I thought he was named Loeb after the character in Year One? I know the character is totally different, but still, that was the assumption I made from Begins, anyway. Unless Miller was mates with Loeb back in the '80s? It might explain why they're both so crap now.

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2008-07-28 05:44 pm (UTC)(link)
It's a long time since I read Year One, so you may well be right - I'd just taken the name for an outgrowing of the Batman tradition of naming bits of Gotham after old creators. Still, nice coincidence...

Also - I still like Frank Miller. Come on, the guy's already done the definitive Batman, twice. I'd rather have him do a deranged pulp Elseworld than just start repeating himself. Although I do wish he'd get a move on with Holy Terror, Batman!, 'cos I for one want to see the goddamn Batman punching Osama bin Laden's face off.

[identity profile] obsessive-katy.livejournal.com 2008-08-01 01:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I saw Batman at the IMAX last night...I'm still somewhat in awe of it. In a rather odd coincidence I mentioned my annoyance at not hearing 'GORDON'S ALIVE! to D on leaving the cinema. Really should have been in there.

How do you feel about all these Depp as The Riddler rumours that are flying? The other odd one I've heard is Philip Seymor Hoffmann as The Penguin... Wah wah wah?

xx

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2008-08-01 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
It's hardly a coincidence so much as an incredibly obvious line for the situation!

How was it at the IMAX, then?

That is the first I've heard of either rumour, but they both sound like good ideas to me. Although, it'd be weird having Depp follow Ledger right after filling in for him on the new Gilliam...

[identity profile] obsessive-katy.livejournal.com 2008-08-04 10:24 am (UTC)(link)
The IMAX was really great actually. We were only 3 rows from the front though so it was possibly a bit too full on.

I'm organising another trip to go and see it there again later in August if you fancy joining us...

xx