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Alex ([personal profile] alexsarll) wrote2007-10-24 12:59 am
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The glamour's the first thing that you learn when you take on the left hand path

If going through a red light, in the wrong lane, over the speed limit, and breaking a pedestrian's leg does not constitute dangerous driving, then what exactly does? Do you have to be smoking sticks of TNT while being fellated by a sabretooth tiger at the same time? Or did he maybe get off because he's a sporting celeb, and they must be excused the consequences of their congenital idiocy and aggression, just like the Victoria line's early closing is suspended when Arsehole are playing, because sport always gets special fvcking treatment?

"Russell T Davies was at a wedding recently when a guest complained about what he'd done to Doctor Who, an otherwise wholesome family drama. "She told me she was shocked because Captain Jack is bisexual and wouldn't let her children watch it," says Davies. "I had such a go at her. I said: 'You're an unfit mother. You're ignorant. Your children are cleverer than you.'" A handy reminder that, fundamentally, we should still consider the man responsible for the Slitheen and Catherine sodding Tate to be one of the good days.
(Though obviously nothing RTD writes is likely to compare to a Moffat-scripted meeting between the Fifth and Tenth Doctors, on TV November 16th. Why is the internet not more excited about this?)

[identity profile] mylifebythesea.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
Jesus man, you go home and you talk about Doctor sodding Who. Again....

Hang on, I've gone home and I'm reading about you talking about Doctor sodding Who. Again. Retreat!

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Bwahahahaha.

[identity profile] augstone.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
being fellated by a sabretooth tiger is about the most dangerous thing i can think of. not that i've ever shyed away from danger ; )

[identity profile] pippaalice.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 08:42 am (UTC)(link)
please people, do not let this man get a sabretooth tiger.

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
From which we decide, no cloning labs for Aug.

[identity profile] tiny-tear.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 06:32 am (UTC)(link)
I wasn't excited because I hadn't heard of it...

Now I'm excited
:-)

[identity profile] beingjdc.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 07:26 am (UTC)(link)
If going through a red light, in the wrong lane, over the speed limit, and breaking a pedestrian's leg does not constitute dangerous driving, then what exactly does?

Dunno, but this is, let's remember, a world where setting fire to a handicapped man, beating him up, then throwing him in the Mersey to drown, isn't murder.

[identity profile] pippaalice.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 08:43 am (UTC)(link)
eh? *bashes head against something*

[identity profile] pippaalice.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 09:10 am (UTC)(link)
oh yes. have poor memory. I don't think I like people much. :(

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
And there was that chap recently who was let off after blinding the 97-year old - but he was a mental, and the government's unwillingness to admit the shambles its mental health policy is in is a separate issue.
Although obviously there would be a case for classifying all professional sportists as mentally disabled, and at least combining if not instantly solving the two problems.

[identity profile] darkmarcpi.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 08:06 am (UTC)(link)
Two Doctors at the same time? Is that possible, what with the regeneration premise and that?

[identity profile] myfirstkitchen.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 09:48 am (UTC)(link)
The Two Doctors, The Three Doctors and The Five Doctors are all existing televised Doctor Who stories.

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
To expand on what Penny said - he's a time traveller, remember? So he can travel back to somewhere one of his earlier selves was. Or, as has tended to happen in the TV versions of the idea, they can both be plucked out of the timestream by some powerful entity. It's not generally considered advisable, according to the Laws of Time - but since when did the Doctor worry about laws?

[identity profile] angelv.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 08:56 am (UTC)(link)
Agreed re: the boxing man but with the tube, this is not preferential treatment for a sporting event, it's so that we can get Gooners off our turf as quickly as possible. Imagine the alternative!

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
There are plenty of alternatives! Chase them off with dogs, give the non-footballist citizenry sniper rifles and license to use them from 30 minutes after the game, drop a MOAB fuel/air bomb on the stadium...

[identity profile] my-name-is-anna.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 09:37 am (UTC)(link)
Oh I think that's quite a shame that that's happened.
There are plenty of parents who won't discuss homosexuality with their children, but their children don't have to leave.
Seems very unfair on the foster children that they don't have the right to remain where they are placed because of a clash of opinion, when if they were the birth child then they could.

[identity profile] pippaalice.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 09:51 am (UTC)(link)
I think it is a shame they took the child they were currently fostering off of them, but as these children are very vulrable it is important that the people they are placed with are good enough, and TBH being homophobic does mean you are not good enough imho.

[identity profile] puzzled-anwen.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 10:04 am (UTC)(link)
What Pippa said, really. If they had been asked to sign a thing saying they agreed to tell the kids they fostered that black people were just as good as white people or women were just as good as men, or indeed that non-Christians were just as good as Christians, and refused, they shouldn't be allowed to continue fostering. They shouldn't be allowed to express bigoted views just because of their religion, or to refuse to teach a tolerant view.

[identity profile] my-name-is-anna.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 10:23 am (UTC)(link)
I was thinking about the child really.
Looked after children are usually punted around from one place to another - this child has been taken away from experienced foster carers and is now in a children's home because the council's beliefs and the couple's religious beliefs don't fit.
At 11, I think that some continuety and consistency are more important for him / her than anything else.

Also I think the council are stupid to just take them off the list. They should find a way to work with the couple so that everyone is happy.
There are many biological parents who don't want to teach their children sex education, and their children aren't taken away from them, why should this looked after child not be entitled to that?

No I don't agree with this couple's viewpoint but I think if foster carers are expected to be perfect then that explains why there is a shortage of them. Councils should work with them to make sure the child recieves the best care, rather than moving children in and out of care homes because they demand all or nothing treatment for them. I imagine the kid will come out of this much more damaged now.

[identity profile] puzzled-anwen.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 10:33 am (UTC)(link)
See above re: what Pippa said - no, I don't think they should have automatically taken the kid away from foster parents he was already settled with.

But what if he or subsequent foster children is gay? He would be brought up in an environment which is obviously not going to be exactly helpful in that situation. I agree that the council should engage with the couple and other parents to try and improve the situation rather than automatically disqualifying them, but ultimately if they are going to stick to their views then what can be done?

[identity profile] billywhizz.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 11:04 am (UTC)(link)
because the council's beliefs and the couple's religious beliefs don't fit

I would worry about comparing human equality with superstitious bullshit.

Either way, foster carers have to sign an agreement, a de facto legal contract, which includes a commitment to promote equality. This agreement is reiterated every time a child is placed. DOH rules. They've broken that agreement. No, it's not ideal for the placement to break down, but if concerns about the placement overweigh the benefits of continuity then it has to happen.

[identity profile] puzzled-anwen.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 11:31 am (UTC)(link)
Also, it's not the council's beliefs, it's the law.

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, but just look at those mean, pinched faces. They just look like proper bigots, don't they? Not basically nice people who don't want to hire gay p0rn for the kids - real Mary Whitehouses.

[identity profile] my-name-is-anna.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 08:49 am (UTC)(link)
As time goes on I wonder more and more whether Mary Whitehouse might have had the right idea.
Look at what the depravity of Hollyoaks, Big Brother etc... has done to this once great nation.

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 06:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Not even in jest, Anna. Not even in jest. The woman was evil to the core. If rubbish reality TV is the price to pay for a country with gay rights and mixed race relationships, then I consider it a paltry price and one well worth paying. And it's not as if she only opposed trash. HBO is (or at least has been) the best TV channel in the world - and you can be damn sure she'd have hated every one of their programmes. The Sopranos, Deadwood, The Wire - works of art every one, but to her petty little mind (if one can even use the word 'mind' of a poisonous worm) they have swearing and sex and violence so they ought to be banned.

I almost wish I believed in Hell, just so I could be sure that Mary Whitehouse was there.

[identity profile] billywhizz.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 09:57 am (UTC)(link)
Religious campaigners say the couple are the latest victims of an equality drive which puts gay rights above religious beliefs.

Good!

[identity profile] pippaalice.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 10:05 am (UTC)(link)
quite.

[identity profile] puzzled-anwen.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 10:41 am (UTC)(link)
Concur. Also 'discussing sexuality with 11 year olds is not appropriate'?? Wtf??

[identity profile] billywhizz.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 10:54 am (UTC)(link)
...with that attitude, I'm amazed they got approved as foster carers in the first place. They must have lied a lot.

[identity profile] my-name-is-anna.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 09:33 am (UTC)(link)
Cos Peter Davison was a bit rubbish.

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I can see why the general public didn't really get into him; he came after Tom Baker, who'd got progressively more larger-than-life as his reign went on, and in comparison Davison's subtler, more uncertain Doctor must have seemed a little wet, especially given he spent much of his first story being carried around in a box. I like him - but then, I like both Die Hard and Metropolitan, while acknowledging that if you segue from one straight into the other, you are likely to alienate a lot of viewers and not necessarily pick up the new ones you want.
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[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know, I think a younger, softer, more uncertain Doctor was a valid take - it was just one that sometimes got lost in the cheap and shiny production on screen, and the surplus of companions.
And while I like Davison in the audios, for me it's Colin Baker who was the real revelation, especially in the ones where he finally gets a decent companion in Evelyn. Though I noticed that even in audio, they felt they had to make a point of getting rid of that bloody coat...
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[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, phooey! Tennant's had some bad stories, sure, but which Doctor hasn't? He's also had some real corkers.

But if it's any consolation, it's not as if he's the only canonical Tenth Doctor; The Gallifrey Chronicles made clear that 'Curse of Fatal Death''s Richard E Grant counts too. And presumably whoever 'Scream of the Shalka''s Richard E Grant regenerates into, too...
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[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
"they've been wildly variable (though even the best have had cringeworthy moments)"

Name one Doctor where that doesn't apply.

Obviously I can't convince you that Tennant's suitably Doctorish if you're not feeling it, and besides, I suspect we may have had this one out before. But while I'd agree with your central argument - the show stands or falls by its Doctor - I increasingly find myself liking all the Doctors. There used to be a massive gap between my favourite (McCoy) and least (Fat Colin); now, there's barely a sliver, as I increasingly see them all as just...the Doctor. I think maybe Eccleston was the key to this; the first Doctor I knew as an actor before he was the Doctor, and I feared he'd be wrong for the role (Hell, I'd just seen him as Vindice, who'd blame me?). But once he was on screen, and even with the show somewhat repurposed (as it had been before, and doubtless will be again)...yeah, he was the Doctor, alright.

If you do try one from the last season, try 'Blink'. Not only is it Moffat being the best again, but the Doctor's not in it much.
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[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
You thought? Because for me the 'plane rescue, even some of the stuff with the Kryponite island - that was Superman. But as Clark, he just made me remember what a bloody stupid idea the whole secret identity business was, even after all Morrison & Quitely had done to make me believe in it.