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Pubbing to mark a rare London appearance by [livejournal.com profile] rentaghost31, I find myself once more randomly in the same pub as Seeing Scarlet, who are clearly my Pub Stalkers. A fun evening, with a special mention for [livejournal.com profile] kiss_me_quick who had clearly drunk all the booze in the entire world before she even arrived.

[livejournal.com profile] publicansdecoy directed my attention to this petition in support of free speech, inspired by the c*rt**n row. I've signed it, of course, though I doubt it'll do the least bit of good - none of the good guys are making credible threats of violence, after all. And thinking about all the petitions I've signed over the years, I can't remember a single one which has succeeded. Tuition fees, the Arthur Simpson Library, ID cards, Routemasters, Gillespie Road, opposition to various Midlands building projects...lost causes, every one.

The man who raped his drunk underage stepdaughter while she was dying almost sounds like a hypothetical, doesn't it? An example constructed such that even Mail readers would be obliged to admit that, regardless of whether she was wearing a short skirt, his behaviour was definitely wrong. Alas, it was not. The human race there, marvellous.*

A new ad at Victoria claims that 98% of Londoners who move to Milton Keynes prefer it. Well, that's as maybe, but they moved to Milton Keynes, and as such their opinions are of no interest to me. Although that said, I shall myself be deserting the Smoke for the weekend, so do take care of it, won't you?

*This being the internet, it can pay to make sure - that last sentence was uttered with bitter, leaden irony, OK?

Date: 2006-02-24 11:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] publicansdecoy.livejournal.com
Huh?

The march is being organised by relative unknowns, as far as I can tell. http://freebornjohn.blogspot.com/ is the blog of one of the organisers. There might be stuff on there you disagree with, but that's precisely the point - disagreement without threats of violence is what the march is about.

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Date: 2006-02-24 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
Cor, that Churchill quote was ACE right up until he was nice about christianity - where in fact he should have been saying that christianity used to be as bad until its teeth were pulled.

Date: 2006-02-24 12:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] publicansdecoy.livejournal.com
>>Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled

He sort of did, I thought.

-x-

Date: 2006-02-24 12:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
Mmmm, but that's akin to all the mealy-mouthed stuff about how Islam is lovely really and there's only a tiny minority spoiling it for everyone else. It makes out that the problem was temporary, and a thing of the past. Not so.

Date: 2006-02-24 11:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com
oh come on, it's a march in central london. whether it's actually organised by the trots is immaterial, they'll be there and be the most vocal part of the crowd.

Date: 2006-02-24 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beingjdc.livejournal.com
Hmm. Trots do one of two things to marches, they take them over, or they picket them. I'd wager this is one they're going to be picketing, given that they suck jihadi c0ck nowadays.

Date: 2006-02-24 12:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] publicansdecoy.livejournal.com
What are you counting as a 'trot' and what are you not?

-x-

Date: 2006-02-24 12:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com
great minds there, thinking alike.

Date: 2006-02-24 12:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] publicansdecoy.livejournal.com
That's not a real website, so you both came up with the same joke?

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Date: 2006-02-24 12:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
Yep, almost simultaneously. I think something in the rhythm of your comment's words just made it obvious.

Date: 2006-02-24 12:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com
http://www.amitrotornot.com

trot is a catch-all term for anyone who goes on these kind of marches, obv ;)

Date: 2006-02-24 12:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beingjdc.livejournal.com
I'm thinking about SWP-RESPECT.

Admittely the AWL might support that demo, I don't know their position, but they don't have enough people to take over a demo even if all their members turn up. Ditto the Socialist Equality Party (but less likely even to support it). Living Marxism might support it too, but they're Libertarians nowadays. We know Socialist Action are on the side of censorship, as are the Workers Revolutionary Party and the Socialist Party (after some equivocation).

Have I missed anyone?

Date: 2006-02-24 12:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com
CP, L-M? are they still going? i saw posters for their kurdish wing around mayday...

Socialist Equality Party, wow never heard of them, SPLITTERS though obv.

people's front of judea?

Date: 2006-02-24 12:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beingjdc.livejournal.com
LM got trashed and have various front organisations - "New Politics Network", "Institute of Ideas" - tie-ins with DemLeft. CP aren't trots. (nor CPB, CPGB, NCP, CPGB (ML)).

Date: 2006-02-24 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com
sorry yes, CPGB (ML) was what i meant.

they are left-wing = they are trots in my book, even if they're actually tankies ;)

Date: 2006-02-24 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
KILL 'EM ALL, LET MARX SORT IT OUT.

Date: 2006-02-24 12:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com
it could be quite interesting actually, there seems to be some sort of strange (rightish-wing) libertarianism at the heart of this march, which a sub-section would be against anyway, but different wings will be holding the pastor neimellior line (strangely thats the second time i've mentioned him today in two entirely different contexts).

350 people and a two minute slot on the news, providing nothing interesting happens in sport that day, i'd guess...
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
To some of us, that's every day and we just wish the media would hurry up and realise it.

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