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Alex ([personal profile] alexsarll) wrote2005-02-09 11:15 am

This post isn't about things that happened. It's about things that didn't.

According to The Whole Equation, Liz Taylor nearly died during the first attempt to film Cleopatra. Now, if that had happened we'd still have the exact same prints we do here of Suddenly Last Summer, Cat on a Hot Tin Roof and National Velvet. But how different would they look to us if, rather than seeing someone who survived to become a bit of a joke, hindsight meant we saw Liz haunted by the same lurking doom as Marilyn is in all her films?

Thinking about the other worlds because Channel 4's trailer for their political awards is slash, but also because I've started on Felix Barker and Ralph Hyde's London As It Might Have Been, a collection of architectural sketches, doomed proposals and visionary maps. It has its flaws - the 1995 preface to the 1982 text states "a giant Ferris Wheel envisaged for Jubilee Gardens on the south bank has never materialised", and is sceptical of "A new Tate gallery in the disused power station on Bankside". Even as pure history, it's good - I never knew that old Saint Paul's was sans tower from a lightning strike in Elizabeth's reign, long before the Great Fire finished it off. But as a hypothetical history, and a psychogeography...the most remarkable thing is how horrifying most of the proposals are. So many times we narrowly escaped becoming another [spit] Paris! So many monstrosities were nearly extruded, from a pyramid in Trafalgar Square to bridges and palaces which even I would consider 'a bit much'. But London's immune system was too much for them. They simply Did Not Belong, and as such, could never happen.
This is not simply because one's used to this London. There are a few ideas which could have worked - I can imagine Nelson stood at the base of his column, as though with his back to the mast. Wren's Great Design for Saint Paul's is more different to ours than it first seems, but you could walk past it a few times without noticing you'd slipped through. And just imagine if Wembley had had one of the Eiffel-beating towers of Babel that were proposed, rather than a sodding stadium! Or we'd had the Metropolis-style Liverpool Street with a helipad on the roof!
There was room for variation here and there, but the most powerful sensation one gleans is that true buildings were always there, waiting to be built. London is eternal. It's just taking some time to realise itself.

I've also been reading a set of essays by military historians caled What If?, which makes for even more terrifying reason. Apparently the French asked the US for "two or three" A-bombs in 1954, for use in conenction with the siege of Dien Bien Phu. Imagine if we'd had WWIII before we even had pop music. Of course, some of the earlier turning points (the collapse of the Mongol invasions) could have gone even more badly. There is an occasional tendency to favour our world over those which might have been - I think they're really clutching at straws when they look for the upside of Rome not falling, of my namesake's early demise or of the Frankish defeat of the Moors. But nonetheless, for all that I scorn this parallel for its physical laws, within those laws, we could have done so much worse.

And all this means that today, out of the corner of my eyes I can see some of London's temples and spires and minarets that never were.

[identity profile] violentbec.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 11:32 am (UTC)(link)
why is she a bit of a joke? (i know this isn't a personal opinion but i thought i'd open a discussion). is it because she got fat? because she had many failed marriages? i think people are unkind to her. if she were man she wouldn't get the flak she gets.

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 11:37 am (UTC)(link)
Just look at her filmography (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000072/) - what's the last film on there that anyone remembers?
(Though there is one called Ash Wednesday - who knew this post was so topical?)
I don't think she gets any more flak than Marlon Brando did, or that it's any less deserved. She's just made some bad choices of friends, some rather embarrassing speeches (remember the Freddie Mercury memorial?) and lost touch with the gift that made her famous.

[identity profile] violentbec.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 11:38 am (UTC)(link)
fair enough.
it is ash wednesday dude, of course its topical
read ts eliot!!!

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 11:39 am (UTC)(link)
I love some Eliot, and find other bits intensely annoying. As one of his religious pieces 'Ash Wednesday' is likely to join 'Four Quartets' in the latter camp.

[identity profile] violentbec.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 11:41 am (UTC)(link)
it's not strictly a religious piece.
it's one of those poems that i want people to read because i think they might understand me a bit better if they do.

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 11:46 am (UTC)(link)
Oh! I know a Thing about this one. The original edition had loads and loads of blank pages before it started, so that "Because I do not hope to turn again" is actually a bit of a sly gag!
Shall read it properly later.

[identity profile] violentbec.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 11:49 am (UTC)(link)
heh, that's grebt.
you don't have to read it! i just like it a lot - not that i read it more than once a year.

[identity profile] missfrost.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 11:32 am (UTC)(link)
That first book sounds fantastic. Is it library?

Re Elizabeth Taylor. I am very much of a similar opinion about Mickey Rooney. He was an absolutely amazing child/teen actor, and yet now is at least twice the joke Liz is.

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 11:37 am (UTC)(link)
It is from North library; I'll let you know when I return it.

[identity profile] missfrost.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 11:48 am (UTC)(link)
Great stuff. I have just run out of (portable) book and won't get to the library until Saturday. HOW DID I LET THIS HAPPEN!

You just fvcked with the wrong accountant.

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 03:41 pm (UTC)(link)
The same batch of borrowing also included a Wildcats where Grifter trains an accountant as his successor. Picturing you as said accountant amused me greatly.

[identity profile] pippaalice.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 11:34 am (UTC)(link)
Dear god why were you up at 5.30?

That was a good entry. I read all of it! Can I read the London book after you pls? Or is it a library book?

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 11:38 am (UTC)(link)
Because the song in my head was loud enough to wake me up.

It is an Islington library book, so you can read it after me but will have to fight Rhoda as to when!

[identity profile] pippaalice.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 11:45 am (UTC)(link)
that is quite amazing! Well done!

Okay well I shall make her let me know when she has put it back! It's not as if I don't have enough cr@p to read.

[identity profile] atommickbrane.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 12:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I knew you'd end up giving in to Annie!

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 02:31 pm (UTC)(link)
She's playing Cargo on March 18th, apparently.
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[personal profile] innerbrat 2005-02-09 11:37 am (UTC)(link)
*makes a note to look up the book*.

Is it a dpressing thing that we'd love her better if she was dead, or just the Way of Things?

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 11:42 am (UTC)(link)
Dying's walking away from the table with the chips you've got; you can never know which way your stock would have gone. I don't think it's a universally reputation-enhancing move; Tom Waits, for instance, would probably not be regarded any higher if he'd died after Small Change. Maybe even less so, because of how much great stuff he's done since. Even if you're partly known for beauty, it's possible to forge new paths; Audrey Hepburn made at least one great film while old.
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[personal profile] innerbrat 2005-02-09 11:44 am (UTC)(link)
Except of course that you can't actually cash the chips, being dead and all. Which is where it falls down, of course.

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 11:48 am (UTC)(link)
They get cashed for you, as cultural immortality. How much that means to you is of course very subjective.
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[personal profile] innerbrat 2005-02-09 11:50 am (UTC)(link)
I wouldn't have thought it subjective at all, at least after the fact ;)

But yes, I see you point.

[identity profile] rentaghost31.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 11:47 am (UTC)(link)
If London is eternal, then why should it be in any sort of hurry to realise itself?
I like the fact that London has such a strong identity. That's where they went wrong with Edinburgh, calling it the Athens of the North etc.

I don't mind watching famous people get old and wrinkly. It's the ones who try to push the aging process back too far I can't stand. Like Melanie Griffiths for example. Whereas people like Jessica Tandy carry off old, graceful and beautiful. I think the graceful aspect of this is probably the most important.

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 11:49 am (UTC)(link)
Yes; Robert Redford was doing fine until he had that operation, and now he suddenly looks like a dummy.

London's not in *that* much of a hurry - it's taken millennia and isn't done yet. But it's in the bustling personality of the place not to dawdle too much.

[identity profile] rentaghost31.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 11:51 am (UTC)(link)
But the hustle and bustle is really just the blood supply whizzing round the body at speed. The body itself moves very slowly by comparison.

[identity profile] london-imp.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 12:35 pm (UTC)(link)
London As It Might Have Been sounds like a magnificent book. Have you been to the John Soane Museum? Some of his designs for a bridges, triumphant arches and the royal palaces are just incredible.

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 12:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I love the museum, but looking at his designs, I'm actually quite glad they didn't get built. They're far too monumental, far too much like [spit] Paris.

[identity profile] perfectlyvague.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 02:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I sort of like the shanty town 'We haven't got time to plan boulevards, just put a bloody building in' aspect of London. I'm also extremely annoyed after doing some of the research for the treasure hunt that Ken's House isn't more accessible to the public. I think we could do with a couple more Big and Stupid public buildings...

Despite occasionally being jealous of The Louvre, it's Just Too Big To Be Any Use (I also spent 5 hours of my first day in Paris trying to work out how to get past the bloody thing).

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2005-02-09 02:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed re the Louvre. And they do have several other similar offenders, such as Invalides. And as for all those fvcking boulevards...