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Saddam denounces President George W Bush as "the real criminal".

Nice to see him using the exact same rhetoric as the anti-war brigade.

Date: 2004-07-01 06:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thermaland.livejournal.com
*sigh* There wasn't an "anti-war brigade".

After reading this I am having a flash-back to the Ceaucescu trial...

Date: 2004-07-01 06:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
I'm normally against the death penalty. But when people commit their crimes incotrovertibly and in full view of the world because they think they're beyond anyone else's power, the usual element of doubt no longer applies.

Date: 2004-07-01 06:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thermaland.livejournal.com
Hell, yes. I just refer to the way he seems in total denial of the change of situation. "I am still your president" etc... Wonder which of his henchmen will take on the Elena mantle and tell the jury or judges that they are still his children...

Date: 2004-07-01 06:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
Gotcha. I suppose when you're that screwed, attempting to convince yourself that you're still the man is pretty much the only option.

Date: 2004-07-01 06:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelv.livejournal.com
Do you think he's beyond the 'it's not in my head, it didn't happen' option?

Date: 2004-07-01 06:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thermaland.livejournal.com
Mmmm. He did hide his head, and the rest of him, in a hole in the ground...

Date: 2004-07-01 06:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
You should become a political adviser.

Date: 2004-07-01 06:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-dumbgenius.livejournal.com
I counter your news link with huh:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3848819.stm

so, yes, the US government has acted criminally, even in its own eyes.

Date: 2004-07-01 06:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
This would nonetheless make Bush another criminal, unless one wishes to exonerate Saddam totally.

Date: 2004-07-01 06:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-dumbgenius.livejournal.com
this is precisely true. and one does not wish the last part.

Date: 2004-07-01 06:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
Well, quite. So one wonders whether all those Stop The War posters calling Bush and Blair the real criminals, or calling for regime change in London and Washington, didn't emphasise that Saddam was also a criminal, and that Baghdad also needed regime change.

Date: 2004-07-01 06:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-dumbgenius.livejournal.com
well, of course they didn't, because that wasn't their point. their point was that Bush and Blair are also criminals, so why mention Saddam?
duh.

Date: 2004-07-01 06:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com
I didn't see that implicit 'also' on any of the placards.

Date: 2004-07-01 06:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-dumbgenius.livejournal.com
Bush and Blair are crims. It's still true.

Date: 2004-07-01 07:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beingjdc.livejournal.com
Because if x and y say 'z is a criminal', then saying 'x and y are the real criminals' necessarily implies that those other than x and y, and z in particular, are not criminals.

Date: 2004-07-01 07:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelv.livejournal.com
After reading this thread, I now have Smooth Criminal earworm. YOU ARE THE REAL CRIMINALS!

Date: 2004-07-01 08:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leunnammi.livejournal.com
I find the whole thing mildly amusing. It's simply a challenge between two authorities, Saddam's own authority under which it becomes a theatre, and the authority of those holding a gun to his head.

Date: 2004-07-01 11:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] renegadechic.livejournal.com
wont the real criminal please stand up please stand up please stand up!

Nicky xxx

Date: 2004-07-01 01:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rentaghost31.livejournal.com
my mum reckons saddam might get off because buch and blair fvcked up so royally. I disagree.

Date: 2004-07-01 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wardytron.livejournal.com
How would their "fvcking up" make him innocent of genocide and murder against the Kurds, Shi'Ites, Marsh Arabs etc, and war crimes against Iranians and Kuwaitis?

Date: 2004-07-02 06:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] markeris.livejournal.com
It might turn out to be some sort of elaborate farce in the Ealing Style with Saddam as the lovable scamp who was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, and whatever he did to try and fix things simply got in more and more scrapes, as the real criminals frame him, but it`ll all turn out alright in the end and he`ll get the girl. Perhaps a bit like the so so Steve Coogan fillum "The Parole Officer"

Although it is of course more likely that the B*st*rd will hang for his crimes.

Date: 2004-07-02 08:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rentaghost31.livejournal.com
well yes, thats kind of what i said to her.

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