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Alex ([personal profile] alexsarll) wrote2008-10-28 06:58 pm

I try to resist posting about acts of inexcusable stupidity and venality these days, BUT...

Because he has nothing better to do - it's not as if we're in an economic crisis and the pound is at an historic low against the Euro or anything, after all - our Beloved Leader has joined in the chorus of moralising hysteria directed at Jonathan Ross and Russell Brand. Because politicians love to knock the BBC for being so terribly mean to them, and all the rest of the media loves to knock the BBC because it's better than them, and worst of all the BBC loves to knock the BBC because like everything else that is good and noble in our culture, it is currently beset with a crippling overdose of self-doubt and consequent belief in the virtue of self-flagellation. And so one of the few institutions of which Britain can still be rightly proud takes another hit as the jackals circle. I mean, have any of these shrill nonentities actually read the damn transcript? (NB: many purported transcripts available are woefully incomplete. The Times, for instance, with all the fidelity to truth one expects from a Murdoch rag, omits the 'Satanic Slvts' (NSFW, obviously) line - either because they were too stupid to understand it, or because it would militate against the impression of slurred innocence they're trying to summon re: Sachs' granddaughter. Not that I have the slightest thing against burlesque performers, you understand - but treating a suggestion that one such might have done the sex with a man in a manner befitting similar suggestions levelled regarding a small child or Victorian princess does seem rather bizarre).

Consider:

- Andrew Sachs cancelled on them. He was not a random victim. It is acceptable to leave voicemail for someone who belatedly cancelled on you in a tone which might be considered poor form on other voicemails.

- Andrew Sachs is only famous because he was happy to play the whipping boy in Fawlty Towers; he can hardly start standing on dignity now. Cf Stephen Fry on fame, specifically the differences between his own and Nicholas Lyndhurst's.

- And this one is the clincher: IT WAS FUNNY. Even without the voices of Ross and Brand, reading a bad transcript that's supplied for purposes of damning them rather than making me laugh, even overwhelmed with anger at the absurd storm around it all, I was cracking up. They made a comedy show; they engaged in nothing more dangerous than the use of harsh language (and even that was not as harsh as the coverage would have you think); they made people laugh. They offended some other people, for sure, but as we should all know by now, offended people are the very worst people on the planet.

As far as I'm concerned, Ross and Brand are both due a pat on the back if not a raise, and everyone who has objected can piss off to somewhere with a suitably deferential press for their tender sensibilities - Saudi, say, North Korea, or Iran.

[identity profile] baphomette.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't find it funny in transcript, nor having heard it since (maybe that order influences me somewhat, I don't know).

It's a horrible thing to talk about someone else's sex life a) publicly and b) to their unsuspecting relatives. It's particularly vile when neither party is around to respond in person. If the people you're discussing aren't in on the joke then it's not a joke, it's malicious.

What I was most surprised by was that it had been pre-recorded and signed off for broadcast. Either the editor thought that was both funny and perfectly acceptable behaviour, or they thought they'd let it out to see how quickly the attention gathered. Neither option gives me much confidence in this mystery 'senior executive' that keeps being mentioned.

All that said, I'm already bored of the witch hunt too. An apology is the most you can ask for, they've given it, everyone please shush now.

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I am a little surprised that it got through on pre-record, but in a world where Chris Morris can't get his suicide bomb-com commissioned for fear of Causing Offence, that's more pleasantly surprised than anything else. I hate how scared the media has got these past few years.

[identity profile] baphomette.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah but in this instance they had already been offensive on someone's answerphone during one episode of an ongoing series that would be broadcast anyway; there's a big difference between that and hiding behind the comissioner's catch-all "we can't make that, people will find it offensive" phrase (which I'm fairly certain just means they don't want to, however right or wrong that decision is).

I would have expected that section to be edited out of the show in the same way that a sitcom with a bomb/similar episode might get moved around the schedules if something sensitive happened that week. In that "well it's done now, but let's not make life more dificult for ourselves' sort of way. I can't imagine it making nearly as big a spash in the news if the producer had just said "er, no, that's not made the cut and we'd better apologise NOW".

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I hate it when they do that too, though. Particularly since they always claim that the film/episode in question is now 'inappropriate' when what they actually mean is that it's now entirely too appropriate, the language-undermining weasel fuckers.

Also, as has been mentioned - there was no fuss at the time. The fuss came a fortnight later, courtesy largely of the Mail, where Obergruppenfuhrer Dacre presumably issued a mandate that the heat should be taken of his dear chum Gordon and the economy, and a suitably decadent liberal scapegoat found.

[identity profile] baphomette.livejournal.com 2008-10-29 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
I can see why they do it, language-wrangling aside. If someone you loved had just been blown to bits, seeing other people be blown to bits on the telly probably wouldn't do you much good.

I think it's naive to expect that a fuss wouldn't be made at some point though. And I think that an immediate apology would have just been a decent thing to do anyway; it'd make a change for someone to say "hang on, that was a bit crass of me" without being prompted by the Daily Mail. Not a good moral compass to have, that!

Hurrah for the Blackshirts!

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2008-10-29 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
Au contraire - the point where the Mail objects to whatever you're doing is exactly when you know you should be doing more of it. If they endorse you, you need to stop and have a think about your actions.

[identity profile] baphomette.livejournal.com 2008-10-29 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
So you're going to ring some girl's grandad tomorrow and tell them about the time you shagged her?

I see your point but I think you're taking that stance a bit far. Doing something just because one particular institution says not to is a very risky business. If it's something that happens to be in line with your own judgement then fine, but 'just because'...no.

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2008-10-29 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I have possibly reached the point of Devil's Advocate implosion here. You know when Nietzsche talked about battling monsters? I think he'd foreseen the Mail.

[identity profile] baphomette.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I hate how scared the media has got these past few years.

Worryingly, I expect that this sort of juvenile nonsense from Ross/Brand is only going to make them more scared. It's not what you'd want, is it, if you had 10 potentially "offensive" things that could possibly be made and could only pick one of them!

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2008-10-29 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
No, but that in itself is the language of retreat. 'Oh, it's fine for things to be offensive if they're good enough to justify it'...well, no. Whatever the field, 90% of it will be crap, be that gentle teatime sitcoms or jokes about Islam. And that's even before you factor in subjectivity as to which the good ones were.

[identity profile] baphomette.livejournal.com 2008-10-29 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not agreeing with the way things are, but that is pretty much how it goes. You want something offensive on telly, make it 10 times more offensive in the first draft so they think they've knocked you down. And while it's not quite on to make something offensive justify itself more than anything else, it does have the bonus effect that a lot more writing gets done and occasionally some of the extra bits slip through (I know there's a particular example I'm thinking of but I'll have to hunt it out tomorrow because I'm cold and still not writing that CRB form...)

[identity profile] barrysarll.livejournal.com 2008-10-29 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
Was it you I was talking to recently about sacrificial lines? But yes. The thing is, people shouldn't need to engage in such feints to do anything even vaguely naughty. Against which, sometimes editors with a certain degree of strictness can benefit a work, but that's a whole other vexed question and one on which my best examples all reference the recent comics of Garth Ennis.