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I try to resist posting about acts of inexcusable stupidity and venality these days, BUT...
Because he has nothing better to do - it's not as if we're in an economic crisis and the pound is at an historic low against the Euro or anything, after all - our Beloved Leader has joined in the chorus of moralising hysteria directed at Jonathan Ross and Russell Brand. Because politicians love to knock the BBC for being so terribly mean to them, and all the rest of the media loves to knock the BBC because it's better than them, and worst of all the BBC loves to knock the BBC because like everything else that is good and noble in our culture, it is currently beset with a crippling overdose of self-doubt and consequent belief in the virtue of self-flagellation. And so one of the few institutions of which Britain can still be rightly proud takes another hit as the jackals circle. I mean, have any of these shrill nonentities actually read the damn transcript? (NB: many purported transcripts available are woefully incomplete. The Times, for instance, with all the fidelity to truth one expects from a Murdoch rag, omits the 'Satanic Slvts' (NSFW, obviously) line - either because they were too stupid to understand it, or because it would militate against the impression of slurred innocence they're trying to summon re: Sachs' granddaughter. Not that I have the slightest thing against burlesque performers, you understand - but treating a suggestion that one such might have done the sex with a man in a manner befitting similar suggestions levelled regarding a small child or Victorian princess does seem rather bizarre).
Consider:
- Andrew Sachs cancelled on them. He was not a random victim. It is acceptable to leave voicemail for someone who belatedly cancelled on you in a tone which might be considered poor form on other voicemails.
- Andrew Sachs is only famous because he was happy to play the whipping boy in Fawlty Towers; he can hardly start standing on dignity now. Cf Stephen Fry on fame, specifically the differences between his own and Nicholas Lyndhurst's.
- And this one is the clincher: IT WAS FUNNY. Even without the voices of Ross and Brand, reading a bad transcript that's supplied for purposes of damning them rather than making me laugh, even overwhelmed with anger at the absurd storm around it all, I was cracking up. They made a comedy show; they engaged in nothing more dangerous than the use of harsh language (and even that was not as harsh as the coverage would have you think); they made people laugh. They offended some other people, for sure, but as we should all know by now, offended people are the very worst people on the planet.
As far as I'm concerned, Ross and Brand are both due a pat on the back if not a raise, and everyone who has objected can piss off to somewhere with a suitably deferential press for their tender sensibilities - Saudi, say, North Korea, or Iran.
Consider:
- Andrew Sachs cancelled on them. He was not a random victim. It is acceptable to leave voicemail for someone who belatedly cancelled on you in a tone which might be considered poor form on other voicemails.
- Andrew Sachs is only famous because he was happy to play the whipping boy in Fawlty Towers; he can hardly start standing on dignity now. Cf Stephen Fry on fame, specifically the differences between his own and Nicholas Lyndhurst's.
- And this one is the clincher: IT WAS FUNNY. Even without the voices of Ross and Brand, reading a bad transcript that's supplied for purposes of damning them rather than making me laugh, even overwhelmed with anger at the absurd storm around it all, I was cracking up. They made a comedy show; they engaged in nothing more dangerous than the use of harsh language (and even that was not as harsh as the coverage would have you think); they made people laugh. They offended some other people, for sure, but as we should all know by now, offended people are the very worst people on the planet.
As far as I'm concerned, Ross and Brand are both due a pat on the back if not a raise, and everyone who has objected can piss off to somewhere with a suitably deferential press for their tender sensibilities - Saudi, say, North Korea, or Iran.
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If Laura Spence posed for any scantily-clad pictures online then yes, I think such jesting would be pretty acceptable. And even if she didn't, I wouldn't consider it grounds for a national scandal.
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"if you are a 'bully' who chooses their target based on percieved past wrong on their part, you are much better than a program like balls of steel where randoms get 'bullied'"
is that seriously the best you can do to justify it....
posing in scantaly cad outfits = acceptable to insult the lady's honor - really really only a few steps away from the whole she-was-asking-for-it which is a bad bad thing and anyone who uses thaty argument is not someone who has a leg tostand on morally
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claim a morally wrong position and then when someone disagrees with you and gives you actual reasons why you arguments about one ting being acceptable and another not being acceptable are illigical and just downright wrong, you just hint at your own personal insults rather than stick the discussion you chose to start.
Until I write a letter to your mum talking about how her son gets thrills from ******** on ******, I don't see how either of our behavoirs are related to the issue
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again you're avoiding the point though, you're *really* good at that I seem to remember
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Frankly, if either of my parents were asked to appear on a radio show you were hosting, I would not be surprised if something along those lines were said. Which is precisely why, in the profoundly unlikely circumstances of that situation arising, I would advise them against accepting such an invite in the first place.
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It would not be acceptable for Barry to punch Dan outside the boxing ring even though Dan agreed to the match and no-showed
The two points from my first reply in this thread still stand:
* "bullies" being nasty to someone because they belive the deserve it, is not much different to "bullies" being nasty to a random for entertainment - i.e. the difference between this and balls of steel is not much
* making comments which besmersh a lady's honour is not accptable just because the lady has done fetish modelling
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The problem with your definition of 'bullies' is that it can be used to cover any incident in which A is nasty to B. Consider all the Republican nutters in the US convinced that they are being bullied by a liberal elite, whom only plucky underdogs Fox News are prepared to resist. Most people like to think of themselves as the underdog - thus, most people will consider any attack on them to be bullying.
It may have been in the other thread, but I did answer the other - in 2008, I hope we've come far enough that I honestly don't consider it 'besmirching a lady's honour' to say that she has had sex, especially when no further details are revealed.
At its comedic heart, this was a generation-reversed 'your mum' joke, and I do not consider 'your mum' jokes a matter for national outrage.
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Making "your mum" jokes about the truth is crossing the line imho.
I used the words bullies in quotes for a reason to try to avoid you going into a diatribe about what is a bully - my point was they very compairable to the "bullying" which goes on in balls of fire - something you've already said is wrong
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